Comments on: Constant HB & me @ Mel’s http://www.ceaselessone.com/student/2007/04/constant-hb-me-mels/ Things I learn while living life as per usual Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:18:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Grant Hutchins http://www.ceaselessone.com/student/2007/04/constant-hb-me-mels/comment-page-1/#comment-11 Grant Hutchins Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:19:00 +0000 http://www.ceaselessone.com/student/?p=28#comment-11 Oh no! I will miss alt+shift Oh no! I will miss alt+shift

]]> By: Boris Dieseldorff http://www.ceaselessone.com/student/2007/04/constant-hb-me-mels/comment-page-1/#comment-10 Boris Dieseldorff Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:16:00 +0000 http://www.ceaselessone.com/student/?p=28#comment-10 I think progress would be nice. Or at least movement. The HB has been confused about what it's role is since day 1. We should just decide on something. Obviously the HB has explicit duties (ie cases). Then it might also have other responsibilities: making the code visible, facilitating discussions about the code, making community standards explicit, helping with possible violations before they become a case (eg mediation). Sure it's educational to discuss these things, but it also feels like a lot of wasted time. It's almost like a philosophy discussion; it just doesn't go anywhere.<br/><br/>I agree that the discussions are important. People need to decide for themselves what they should be doing etc. That being said, I think a better sense of history could allow people to develop their personal beliefs in an environment that isn't CORe or the HB itself. This would leave more time for actually doing things.<br/><br/>Just as an example, should the HB work with R2s (for mediation)? Well, it'd be nice to know that this has already been discussed at length in the past; it'd be nice to have a set of points/ideas to move forward from instead of simply rebuilding the same stuff. I think progress would be nice. Or at least movement. The HB has been confused about what it’s role is since day 1. We should just decide on something. Obviously the HB has explicit duties (ie cases). Then it might also have other responsibilities: making the code visible, facilitating discussions about the code, making community standards explicit, helping with possible violations before they become a case (eg mediation). Sure it’s educational to discuss these things, but it also feels like a lot of wasted time. It’s almost like a philosophy discussion; it just doesn’t go anywhere.

I agree that the discussions are important. People need to decide for themselves what they should be doing etc. That being said, I think a better sense of history could allow people to develop their personal beliefs in an environment that isn’t CORe or the HB itself. This would leave more time for actually doing things.

Just as an example, should the HB work with R2s (for mediation)? Well, it’d be nice to know that this has already been discussed at length in the past; it’d be nice to have a set of points/ideas to move forward from instead of simply rebuilding the same stuff.

]]> By: Drew http://www.ceaselessone.com/student/2007/04/constant-hb-me-mels/comment-page-1/#comment-8 Drew Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:05:00 +0000 http://www.ceaselessone.com/student/?p=28#comment-8 Is it really a bad thing that the conversations are the same? In a lot of ways, student organizations like the HB and CORe are in and of themselves educational experiences. Both groups wrestle with difficult and somewhat intractable problems in a mostly safe space. I don't think we should expect that as organizations either group should be making "progress" in some absolute sense.<br/><br/>A better sense of history in decision making processes might be useful, but I think the process of rehashing old issues is valuable for everyone involved. Is it really a bad thing that the conversations are the same? In a lot of ways, student organizations like the HB and CORe are in and of themselves educational experiences. Both groups wrestle with difficult and somewhat intractable problems in a mostly safe space. I don’t think we should expect that as organizations either group should be making “progress” in some absolute sense.

A better sense of history in decision making processes might be useful, but I think the process of rehashing old issues is valuable for everyone involved.

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